Source
Source for: Mary Findern, ABT 1502 - 1597
Index
Name source: S519Page: Database online.
Page: Boatswain 1680 - 2011 / Wilkinson Family Tree 250BC - 2011
Text: Record for John Turvile - 2014-06-09 http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=pubmembertrees&h=-14477493&indiv=try
Page: Perry Family Tree
Text: Record for John Turvile - 2014-06-09 http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=pubmembertrees&h=429635694&indiv=try
Page: Durow Kaiser Ancestors
Text: Record for John Turvile - 2014-06-10 http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=pubmembertrees&h=-55847723&indiv=try
Birth source: S519Page: Database online.
Page: Boatswain 1680 - 2011 / Wilkinson Family Tree 250BC - 2011
Text: Record for John Turvile - 2014-06-09 http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=pubmembertrees&h=-14477493&indiv=try
Death source: S519Page: Database online.
Page: Boatswain 1680 - 2011 / Wilkinson Family Tree 250BC - 2011
Text: Record for John Turvile - 2014-06-09 http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=pubmembertrees&h=-14477493&indiv=try
Birth source: S519Page: Perry Family Tree
Text: Record for John Turvile - 2014-06-09 http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=pubmembertrees&h=429635694&indiv=try
Page: Durow Kaiser Ancestors
Text: Record for John Turvile - 2014-06-10 http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=pubmembertrees&h=-55847723&indiv=try
Death source: S519Page: Durow Kaiser Ancestors
Text: Record for John Turvile - 2014-06-10 http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=pubmembertrees&h=-55847723&indiv=try
Name source: S519Page: Database online.
Page: Boatswain 1680 - 2011 / Wilkinson Family Tree 250BC - 2011
Text: Record for John Turvile - 2014-06-09 http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=pubmembertrees&h=-14477493&indiv=try
Page: Perry Family Tree
Text: Record for John Turvile - 2014-06-09 http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=pubmembertrees&h=429635694&indiv=try
Page: Durow Kaiser Ancestors
Text: Record for John Turvile - 2014-06-10 http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=pubmembertrees&h=-55847723&indiv=try
Source
Source for: Helen Ferrers, BET 1473 AND 1484 - ABT 1508
Index
Name source: S130Page: Ferrers, Helen1473.FTW
Name source: S122Page: MATTHEWS, John
Name source: S54 Susan Johanson - Rootsweb, Johanson, Susan (Name: RootsWeb - 2007-10-25;); http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=j ohanson&id=I59210
Name source: S101Name source: S87Page: Word Document, Page 2
Name source: S519Page: Database online.
Name source: S87Page: Word Document, Page 2
Text: Sir William Turvile of Normanton Turvile, Thurleston & Aston Flamville(d 02.07.1552) - continued above m1. Helen Ferrers (dau of Sir John Ferrers of Tamworth) 1.John Turvile of Normanton Turvile & Thurleston m. Mary Findorn (dau of Thomas Findorn of Findorn or Findern or Fendern) A.Richard Turvile of Normanton Turvile & Thurleston (a 1563) m. Jane Babington (dau of Thomas Babington of Rodley) i.Soward Turvile of Normanton Turvile & Thurleston (a 1601) m. Ellin Armestrong (dau of Hugh Armestrong of Nottinghamshire) a.Henry Turvile Visitation ends with this generation. Commoners does not follow this line but notes that the above John, who married Mary Findorn, was ancestor of this line which expired with Elizabeth in 1776. We presume as follows: (1)?? Turvile or Turville (A)?? Turvile or Turville of Normanton Turvile & Thurleston Uncertain on number of intervening generations. (i)?? Turvile or Turville (a)Elizabeth Turville (bur 09.1776)
Name source: S130Page: Ferrers, Helen1473.FTW
Text: Date of Import: 9 Oct 2006
Name source: S27Text: Date of Import: 9 Oct 2006
Name source: S55Name source: S519Page: Perry Family Tree
Text: Record for John Turvile - 2014-06-09 http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=pubmembertrees&h=429635694&indiv=try
Page: Durow Kaiser Ancestors
Text: Record for John Turvile - 2014-06-10 http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=pubmembertrees&h=-55847723&indiv=try
Name source: S546Page: Pattison Home Page:Information about Helen Ferrers 2015-08-28
Text: Helen Ferrers[68] was born Abt. 1480 in Tamworth[68], and died 1508[68].She married William Turvile on Abt. 1500, son of John Turvile.
More About Helen Ferrers:
Ancestry: For the Ferrers descent from the Earls of Derby and Henry de Ferrers, a Companion-in-Arms of William the Conquerer - See File 40 Series.[68]
Note 1: Helen's mother was Sir John's first wife..[68]
Note 2: For Ferrers descent from King Edward I and beyond, see File 40 series - Extended Ferrers descent..
Ref.: 4.13/1A - See Branch 4.13.[68]
Source: History & Antiquities of Leicestershire - Page 1004.[68]
More About Helen Ferrers and William Turvile:
Marriage: Abt. 1500
Children of Helen Ferrers and William Turvile are:
+John Turvile, b. Abt. 1501[68], d. date unknown.
Michael Turvile, b. Abt. 1502[68], d. 1557[68].
[68. Pattisons - 28.10.05.FTW, Date of Import: Oct 28, 2005.] http://www.genealogy.com/ftm/p/a/t/David-Pattison/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0207.html
Name source: S547Page: Another Daughter for John Ferrers I of Tamworth & Maud Stanley Slektsforum -> Slektsfaglige diskusjoner -> Nyhetsgrupper (arkiv) -> Fora der du MÅ skrive engelsk -> soc.genealogy.medieval -> Another Daughter for John Ferrers I of Tamworth & Maud Stanley 2015-08-28
Text: InnleggSkrevet: 16 Jan 2007 00:47:33 Tittel: Re: Another Daughter for John Ferrers I of Tamworth & Maud S Svar med Sitat
This Turville/Ferrers marriage is also mentioned in Turville pedigrees in
two separate volumes of Nichols' "History and Antiquities of
Leicestershire", probably based on a visitation pedigree. It's also
mentioned in the [less-than-reliable] Burke's Commoners. All these
references indicate that Helen/Ellen was the first wife of Sir William
Turvile and dau. of Sir John Ferrers of Tamworth - but they don't indicate
her mother.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Verity"
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
To:
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 10:11 AM
Subject: Another Daughter for John Ferrers I of Tamworth & Maud Stanley
Joël Merckelbagh kindly brought a Turville/Ferrers marriage to my
attention - I had not been aware of it.
William George Dimack Fletcher in his 1887 book 'Leicestershire
Pedigrees and Royal Descents', has Sir William Turville of Aston
Flamville, Leics. (d. 1549) married to Helen Ferrers, daughter of Sir
John Ferrers of Tamworth Castle (d. 1509) and Dorothy Harper.
Sitat:
From 'A Gentry Community: Leicestershire in the Fifteenth Century,
c.1422-c.1485' by Eric Acheson [Cambridge University Press, 2003], pp.
254-255:
"The family of Turville acquired the manor of Aston Flamville by the
marriage before 1399 of Richard Turville to Katherine, daughter and
heir of Sir William Flamville. Richard's son, also Richard, married
Margaret Bugge, sister and heir of Baldwin. This Richard died about
1435 but the much married Margaret lived until 1474. At her death, her
grandson, John Turville, inherited her manors of Normanton Turville,
Thurlaston, Stoke Golding, Wigston Magna and Croft. John was the son
of William Turville and his wife, Elizabeth, daughter of Thomas
Fouleshurst. John married Katherine, daughter and coheir of Thomas
Staunton who bore him six children before his death in 1506. Very
occasionally, the name Turville appears among the lists of
Leicestershire electors, including Richard Turville who helped to elect
his brother-in-law, Baldwin Bugge, in 1426.
However, between 1422 and 1485, no member of the family served in any
office within the shire."
William Turville, esquire, of Aston Flamville and Normanton Turville,
Leicestershire (c.1483-1549), was the eldest son and heir of John
Turville and Katherine Staunton. But his first wife, Helen Ferrers
(said to have died 1508), could not have been the daughter of John
Ferrers II of Tamworth (d. 1512) and Dorothy Harpur, as Helen was a
mother by 1502, and John and Dorothy's son and heir Humphrey Ferrers
was born about 1497. Instead, Helen fits in better chronologically as
daughter of Sir John Ferrers I of Tamworth and Maud Stanley.
That there was a connection between the Ferrers of Tamworth and
Turville of Aston Flamville families is proven by Sir John Ferrers II
making William Turville a feoffee in 1508, in the following grant that
Will Johnson had posted to the newsgroup last year:
Birmingham City Archives: Adderley family of Hams Hall, Warwickshire
(Baron Norton) [MS 917/1073 - MS 917A/174]
Adderley family of Hams Hall, Warwickshire (Baron Norton)
Catalogue Ref. MS 917
Creator(s): Adderley family, Barons Norton of Fillongley, Warwickshire
TITLE DEEDS TO LAND
Warwickshire
Conventry
Stivichall
FILE - Grant. John Ferrers, knt., to Walter Gryffyth, knt., William
Turvyll, esq., John Curson of Croxsale [Croxall, co. Staff.], esq.,
William Chetwyn, esq., William Boughton, esq., Christopher
Seyntg[er]man, gent., Nicholas Harpur, gent., and Henry Boughton, gent.
Manor of Stichehalle [Stivichall] near Coventre [Conventry, co. War.]
and le Marston [Lea Marston, co. War.], and half of the Manor of
Horborowe [Harborough] co. War., with appurtenances, etc. to hold to
the use of the said Sir John and Dorothy his wife; also half of a
pasture called le Hames, in Le Marston, to hold to the use of Roger
Ferrers, his uncle. (Please order number 110) - ref. MS 917/1840 -
date: 5 October 24 Hen VII[1508]
The fact that William Turville is listed immediately following Sir
Walter Griffith (a known brother-in-law of John Ferrers II), and before
William Chetwynd, esquire (another known brother-in-law of John Ferrers
II) lends support to William Turville also being a brother-in-law of
John Ferrers II, though definitive proof remains to be seen.
This would add yet another family - the Turvilles of Normanton
Turville, Leics. - to the list of families that have, by the early
1500s, gateway ancestor William Ferrers, 3rd Lord Ferrers of Groby
(1333-1371), as their sole link to a descent from Edward I. The other
families include:
Browne of Snelston
Chetwynd of Alspath and Ingestre, Staffordshire
Clerke of Forde Hall, Kent
Coke of Trusley, Derbyshire
Cotton of Oxenhoath, Kent
Ferrers of Tamworth and of Baddesley Clinton
Giffard of Chillington, Staffordshire
Gresley of Drakelow, Derbyshire
Griffith of Burton Agnes, Yorkshire
Holt of Grislehurst
Leigh of Stockwell, Surrey
Longford of Longford, Derbyshire
Cheers, -------Brad
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From: "Brad Verity"
Subject: Another Daughter for John Ferrers I of Tamworth & Maud Stanley
Date: 15 Jan 2007 10:11:18 -0800
Joël Merckelbagh kindly brought a Turville/Ferrers marriage to my
attention - I had not been aware of it.
William George Dimack Fletcher in his 1887 book 'Leicestershire
Pedigrees and Royal Descents', has Sir William Turville of Aston
Flamville, Leics. (d. 1549) married to Helen Ferrers, daughter of Sir
John Ferrers of Tamworth Castle (d. 1509) and Dorothy Harper.
>From 'A Gentry Community: Leicestershire in the Fifteenth Century,
c.1422-c.1485' by Eric Acheson [Cambridge University Press, 2003], pp.
254-255:
"The family of Turville acquired the manor of Aston Flamville by the
marriage before 1399 of Richard Turville to Katherine, daughter and
heir of Sir William Flamville. Richard's son, also Richard, married
Margaret Bugge, sister and heir of Baldwin. This Richard died about
1435 but the much married Margaret lived until 1474. At her death, her
grandson, John Turville, inherited her manors of Normanton Turville,
Thurlaston, Stoke Golding, Wigston Magna and Croft. John was the son
of William Turville and his wife, Elizabeth, daughter of Thomas
Fouleshurst. John married Katherine, daughter and coheir of Thomas
Staunton who bore him six children before his death in 1506. Very
occasionally, the name Turville appears among the lists of
Leicestershire electors, including Richard Turville who helped to elect
his brother-in-law, Baldwin Bugge, in 1426.
However, between 1422 and 1485, no member of the family served in any
office within the shire."
William Turville, esquire, of Aston Flamville and Normanton Turville,
Leicestershire (c.1483-1549), was the eldest son and heir of John
Turville and Katherine Staunton. But his first wife, Helen Ferrers
(said to have died 1508), could not have been the daughter of John
Ferrers II of Tamworth (d. 1512) and Dorothy Harpur, as Helen was a
mother by 1502, and John and Dorothy's son and heir Humphrey Ferrers
was born about 1497. Instead, Helen fits in better chronologically as
daughter of Sir John Ferrers I of Tamworth and Maud Stanley.
That there was a connection between the Ferrers of Tamworth and
Turville of Aston Flamville families is proven by Sir John Ferrers II
making William Turville a feoffee in 1508, in the following grant that
Will Johnson had posted to the newsgroup last year:
Birmingham City Archives: Adderley family of Hams Hall, Warwickshire
(Baron Norton) [MS 917/1073 - MS 917A/174]
Adderley family of Hams Hall, Warwickshire (Baron Norton)
Catalogue Ref. MS 917
Creator(s): Adderley family, Barons Norton of Fillongley, Warwickshire
TITLE DEEDS TO LAND
Warwickshire
Conventry
Stivichall
FILE - Grant. John Ferrers, knt., to Walter Gryffyth, knt., William
Turvyll, esq., John Curson of Croxsale [Croxall, co. Staff.], esq.,
William Chetwyn, esq., William Boughton, esq., Christopher
Seyntg[er]man, gent., Nicholas Harpur, gent., and Henry Boughton, gent.
Manor of Stichehalle [Stivichall] near Coventre [Conventry, co. War.]
and le Marston [Lea Marston, co. War.], and half of the Manor of
Horborowe [Harborough] co. War., with appurtenances, etc. to hold to
the use of the said Sir John and Dorothy his wife; also half of a
pasture called le Hames, in Le Marston, to hold to the use of Roger
Ferrers, his uncle. (Please order number 110) - ref. MS 917/1840 -
date: 5 October 24 Hen VII[1508]
The fact that William Turville is listed immediately following Sir
Walter Griffith (a known brother-in-law of John Ferrers II), and before
William Chetwynd, esquire (another known brother-in-law of John Ferrers
II) lends support to William Turville also being a brother-in-law of
John Ferrers II, though definitive proof remains to be seen.
This would add yet another family - the Turvilles of Normanton
Turville, Leics. - to the list of families that have, by the early
1500s, gateway ancestor William Ferrers, 3rd Lord Ferrers of Groby
(1333-1371), as their sole link to a descent from Edward I. The other
families include:
Browne of Snelston
Chetwynd of Alspath and Ingestre, Staffordshire
Clerke of Forde Hall, Kent
Coke of Trusley, Derbyshire
Cotton of Oxenhoath, Kent
Ferrers of Tamworth and of Baddesley Clinton
Giffard of Chillington, Staffordshire
Gresley of Drakelow, Derbyshire
Griffith of Burton Agnes, Yorkshire
Holt of Grislehurst
Leigh of Stockwell, Surrey
Longford of Longford, Derbyshire
Cheers, -------Brad
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Birth source: S519
Page: Database online.
Birth source: S130
Page: Ferrers, Helen1473.FTW
Page: Ferrers, Helen1473.FTW
Text: Date of Import: 9 Oct 2006
Birth source: S519
Page: Perry Family Tree
Text: Record for John Turvile - 2014-06-09 http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=pubmembertrees&h=429635694&indiv=try
Page: Durow Kaiser Ancestors
Text: Record for John Turvile - 2014-06-10 http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=pubmembertrees&h=-55847723&indiv=try
Birth source: S27
Text: Date of Import: 9 Oct 2006
Death source: S519
Page: Database online.
Death source: S130
Page: Ferrers, Helen1473.FTW
Page: Ferrers, Helen1473.FTW
Text: Date of Import: 9 Oct 2006
Death source: S27
Text: Date of Import: 9 Oct 2006
Death source: S519
Page: Perry Family Tree
Text: Record for John Turvile - 2014-06-09 http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=pubmembertrees&h=429635694&indiv=try
Page: Durow Kaiser Ancestors
Text: Record for John Turvile - 2014-06-10 http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=pubmembertrees&h=-55847723&indiv=try
Name source: S130
Page: Ferrers, Helen1473.FTW
Name source: S122
Page: MATTHEWS, John
Name source: S54
Susan Johanson - Rootsweb, Johanson, Susan (Name: RootsWeb - 2007-10-25;); http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=j ohanson&id=I59210
Name source: S101
Name source: S87
Page: Word Document, Page 2
Name source: S519
Page: Database online.
Name source: S87
Page: Word Document, Page 2
Text: Sir William Turvile of Normanton Turvile, Thurleston & Aston Flamville(d 02.07.1552) - continued above m1. Helen Ferrers (dau of Sir John Ferrers of Tamworth) 1.John Turvile of Normanton Turvile & Thurleston m. Mary Findorn (dau of Thomas Findorn of Findorn or Findern or Fendern) A.Richard Turvile of Normanton Turvile & Thurleston (a 1563) m. Jane Babington (dau of Thomas Babington of Rodley) i.Soward Turvile of Normanton Turvile & Thurleston (a 1601) m. Ellin Armestrong (dau of Hugh Armestrong of Nottinghamshire) a.Henry Turvile Visitation ends with this generation. Commoners does not follow this line but notes that the above John, who married Mary Findorn, was ancestor of this line which expired with Elizabeth in 1776. We presume as follows: (1)?? Turvile or Turville (A)?? Turvile or Turville of Normanton Turvile & Thurleston Uncertain on number of intervening generations. (i)?? Turvile or Turville (a)Elizabeth Turville (bur 09.1776)
Name source: S130
Page: Ferrers, Helen1473.FTW
Text: Date of Import: 9 Oct 2006
Name source: S27
Text: Date of Import: 9 Oct 2006
Name source: S55
Name source: S519
Page: Perry Family Tree
Text: Record for John Turvile - 2014-06-09 http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=pubmembertrees&h=429635694&indiv=try
Page: Durow Kaiser Ancestors
Text: Record for John Turvile - 2014-06-10 http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=pubmembertrees&h=-55847723&indiv=try
Name source: S546
Page: Pattison Home Page:Information about Helen Ferrers 2015-08-28
Text: Helen Ferrers[68] was born Abt. 1480 in Tamworth[68], and died 1508[68].She married William Turvile on Abt. 1500, son of John Turvile.
More About Helen Ferrers:
Ancestry: For the Ferrers descent from the Earls of Derby and Henry de Ferrers, a Companion-in-Arms of William the Conquerer - See File 40 Series.[68]
Note 1: Helen's mother was Sir John's first wife..[68]
Note 2: For Ferrers descent from King Edward I and beyond, see File 40 series - Extended Ferrers descent..
Ref.: 4.13/1A - See Branch 4.13.[68]
Source: History & Antiquities of Leicestershire - Page 1004.[68]
More About Helen Ferrers and William Turvile:
Marriage: Abt. 1500
Children of Helen Ferrers and William Turvile are:
+John Turvile, b. Abt. 1501[68], d. date unknown.
Michael Turvile, b. Abt. 1502[68], d. 1557[68].
[68. Pattisons - 28.10.05.FTW, Date of Import: Oct 28, 2005.] http://www.genealogy.com/ftm/p/a/t/David-Pattison/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0207.html
Name source: S547
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Text: InnleggSkrevet: 16 Jan 2007 00:47:33 Tittel: Re: Another Daughter for John Ferrers I of Tamworth & Maud S Svar med Sitat
This Turville/Ferrers marriage is also mentioned in Turville pedigrees in
two separate volumes of Nichols' "History and Antiquities of
Leicestershire", probably based on a visitation pedigree. It's also
mentioned in the [less-than-reliable] Burke's Commoners. All these
references indicate that Helen/Ellen was the first wife of Sir William
Turvile and dau. of Sir John Ferrers of Tamworth - but they don't indicate
her mother.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Verity"
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
To:
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 10:11 AM
Subject: Another Daughter for John Ferrers I of Tamworth & Maud Stanley
Joël Merckelbagh kindly brought a Turville/Ferrers marriage to my
attention - I had not been aware of it.
William George Dimack Fletcher in his 1887 book 'Leicestershire
Pedigrees and Royal Descents', has Sir William Turville of Aston
Flamville, Leics. (d. 1549) married to Helen Ferrers, daughter of Sir
John Ferrers of Tamworth Castle (d. 1509) and Dorothy Harper.
Sitat:
From 'A Gentry Community: Leicestershire in the Fifteenth Century,
c.1422-c.1485' by Eric Acheson [Cambridge University Press, 2003], pp.
254-255:
"The family of Turville acquired the manor of Aston Flamville by the
marriage before 1399 of Richard Turville to Katherine, daughter and
heir of Sir William Flamville. Richard's son, also Richard, married
Margaret Bugge, sister and heir of Baldwin. This Richard died about
1435 but the much married Margaret lived until 1474. At her death, her
grandson, John Turville, inherited her manors of Normanton Turville,
Thurlaston, Stoke Golding, Wigston Magna and Croft. John was the son
of William Turville and his wife, Elizabeth, daughter of Thomas
Fouleshurst. John married Katherine, daughter and coheir of Thomas
Staunton who bore him six children before his death in 1506. Very
occasionally, the name Turville appears among the lists of
Leicestershire electors, including Richard Turville who helped to elect
his brother-in-law, Baldwin Bugge, in 1426.
However, between 1422 and 1485, no member of the family served in any
office within the shire."
William Turville, esquire, of Aston Flamville and Normanton Turville,
Leicestershire (c.1483-1549), was the eldest son and heir of John
Turville and Katherine Staunton. But his first wife, Helen Ferrers
(said to have died 1508), could not have been the daughter of John
Ferrers II of Tamworth (d. 1512) and Dorothy Harpur, as Helen was a
mother by 1502, and John and Dorothy's son and heir Humphrey Ferrers
was born about 1497. Instead, Helen fits in better chronologically as
daughter of Sir John Ferrers I of Tamworth and Maud Stanley.
That there was a connection between the Ferrers of Tamworth and
Turville of Aston Flamville families is proven by Sir John Ferrers II
making William Turville a feoffee in 1508, in the following grant that
Will Johnson had posted to the newsgroup last year:
Birmingham City Archives: Adderley family of Hams Hall, Warwickshire
(Baron Norton) [MS 917/1073 - MS 917A/174]
Adderley family of Hams Hall, Warwickshire (Baron Norton)
Catalogue Ref. MS 917
Creator(s): Adderley family, Barons Norton of Fillongley, Warwickshire
TITLE DEEDS TO LAND
Warwickshire
Conventry
Stivichall
FILE - Grant. John Ferrers, knt., to Walter Gryffyth, knt., William
Turvyll, esq., John Curson of Croxsale [Croxall, co. Staff.], esq.,
William Chetwyn, esq., William Boughton, esq., Christopher
Seyntg[er]man, gent., Nicholas Harpur, gent., and Henry Boughton, gent.
Manor of Stichehalle [Stivichall] near Coventre [Conventry, co. War.]
and le Marston [Lea Marston, co. War.], and half of the Manor of
Horborowe [Harborough] co. War., with appurtenances, etc. to hold to
the use of the said Sir John and Dorothy his wife; also half of a
pasture called le Hames, in Le Marston, to hold to the use of Roger
Ferrers, his uncle. (Please order number 110) - ref. MS 917/1840 -
date: 5 October 24 Hen VII[1508]
The fact that William Turville is listed immediately following Sir
Walter Griffith (a known brother-in-law of John Ferrers II), and before
William Chetwynd, esquire (another known brother-in-law of John Ferrers
II) lends support to William Turville also being a brother-in-law of
John Ferrers II, though definitive proof remains to be seen.
This would add yet another family - the Turvilles of Normanton
Turville, Leics. - to the list of families that have, by the early
1500s, gateway ancestor William Ferrers, 3rd Lord Ferrers of Groby
(1333-1371), as their sole link to a descent from Edward I. The other
families include:
Browne of Snelston
Chetwynd of Alspath and Ingestre, Staffordshire
Clerke of Forde Hall, Kent
Coke of Trusley, Derbyshire
Cotton of Oxenhoath, Kent
Ferrers of Tamworth and of Baddesley Clinton
Giffard of Chillington, Staffordshire
Gresley of Drakelow, Derbyshire
Griffith of Burton Agnes, Yorkshire
Holt of Grislehurst
Leigh of Stockwell, Surrey
Longford of Longford, Derbyshire
Cheers, -------Brad
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Subject: Another Daughter for John Ferrers I of Tamworth & Maud Stanley
Date: 15 Jan 2007 10:11:18 -0800
Joël Merckelbagh kindly brought a Turville/Ferrers marriage to my
attention - I had not been aware of it.
William George Dimack Fletcher in his 1887 book 'Leicestershire
Pedigrees and Royal Descents', has Sir William Turville of Aston
Flamville, Leics. (d. 1549) married to Helen Ferrers, daughter of Sir
John Ferrers of Tamworth Castle (d. 1509) and Dorothy Harper.
>From 'A Gentry Community: Leicestershire in the Fifteenth Century,
c.1422-c.1485' by Eric Acheson [Cambridge University Press, 2003], pp.
254-255:
"The family of Turville acquired the manor of Aston Flamville by the
marriage before 1399 of Richard Turville to Katherine, daughter and
heir of Sir William Flamville. Richard's son, also Richard, married
Margaret Bugge, sister and heir of Baldwin. This Richard died about
1435 but the much married Margaret lived until 1474. At her death, her
grandson, John Turville, inherited her manors of Normanton Turville,
Thurlaston, Stoke Golding, Wigston Magna and Croft. John was the son
of William Turville and his wife, Elizabeth, daughter of Thomas
Fouleshurst. John married Katherine, daughter and coheir of Thomas
Staunton who bore him six children before his death in 1506. Very
occasionally, the name Turville appears among the lists of
Leicestershire electors, including Richard Turville who helped to elect
his brother-in-law, Baldwin Bugge, in 1426.
However, between 1422 and 1485, no member of the family served in any
office within the shire."
William Turville, esquire, of Aston Flamville and Normanton Turville,
Leicestershire (c.1483-1549), was the eldest son and heir of John
Turville and Katherine Staunton. But his first wife, Helen Ferrers
(said to have died 1508), could not have been the daughter of John
Ferrers II of Tamworth (d. 1512) and Dorothy Harpur, as Helen was a
mother by 1502, and John and Dorothy's son and heir Humphrey Ferrers
was born about 1497. Instead, Helen fits in better chronologically as
daughter of Sir John Ferrers I of Tamworth and Maud Stanley.
That there was a connection between the Ferrers of Tamworth and
Turville of Aston Flamville families is proven by Sir John Ferrers II
making William Turville a feoffee in 1508, in the following grant that
Will Johnson had posted to the newsgroup last year:
Birmingham City Archives: Adderley family of Hams Hall, Warwickshire
(Baron Norton) [MS 917/1073 - MS 917A/174]
Adderley family of Hams Hall, Warwickshire (Baron Norton)
Catalogue Ref. MS 917
Creator(s): Adderley family, Barons Norton of Fillongley, Warwickshire
TITLE DEEDS TO LAND
Warwickshire
Conventry
Stivichall
FILE - Grant. John Ferrers, knt., to Walter Gryffyth, knt., William
Turvyll, esq., John Curson of Croxsale [Croxall, co. Staff.], esq.,
William Chetwyn, esq., William Boughton, esq., Christopher
Seyntg[er]man, gent., Nicholas Harpur, gent., and Henry Boughton, gent.
Manor of Stichehalle [Stivichall] near Coventre [Conventry, co. War.]
and le Marston [Lea Marston, co. War.], and half of the Manor of
Horborowe [Harborough] co. War., with appurtenances, etc. to hold to
the use of the said Sir John and Dorothy his wife; also half of a
pasture called le Hames, in Le Marston, to hold to the use of Roger
Ferrers, his uncle. (Please order number 110) - ref. MS 917/1840 -
date: 5 October 24 Hen VII[1508]
The fact that William Turville is listed immediately following Sir
Walter Griffith (a known brother-in-law of John Ferrers II), and before
William Chetwynd, esquire (another known brother-in-law of John Ferrers
II) lends support to William Turville also being a brother-in-law of
John Ferrers II, though definitive proof remains to be seen.
This would add yet another family - the Turvilles of Normanton
Turville, Leics. - to the list of families that have, by the early
1500s, gateway ancestor William Ferrers, 3rd Lord Ferrers of Groby
(1333-1371), as their sole link to a descent from Edward I. The other
families include:
Browne of Snelston
Chetwynd of Alspath and Ingestre, Staffordshire
Clerke of Forde Hall, Kent
Coke of Trusley, Derbyshire
Cotton of Oxenhoath, Kent
Ferrers of Tamworth and of Baddesley Clinton
Giffard of Chillington, Staffordshire
Gresley of Drakelow, Derbyshire
Griffith of Burton Agnes, Yorkshire
Holt of Grislehurst
Leigh of Stockwell, Surrey
Longford of Longford, Derbyshire
Cheers, -------Brad
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